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[QUOTE=Schultz]Wow....

A jel izuva iz cipela......???

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Rockford-Fosgate P163C. Direktno uspoređivan sa konkurentnim Pioneerom, Mac Audiom i Magnatom. Odmah razlika u zvuku, jednostavno ima puno atraktivniji i otvoreniji zvuk. Visoki zvuče fenomenalno efektno, pretpostavljam zbog skretnice. Imaju 50W RMS-a tako da mogu svirati ugodno glasno iako je dojam da bi bilo preporučljivo montirati ih u nekakvu kutiju zatvorenog tipa da se smanji ekskurzija basa i dobije se na mid-kicku. Tko voli visoke neka ih posluša, možda je to pravi zvučnik za njih. Mana:trosistemci su pa kod određenog smještaja (npr. u tvorničke otvore u vratima) možda neće biti potpuno iskorišten njihov potencijal.
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Ova recenzija je odrađena kao cjelina. Zbog toga se unaprijed ispricavam ako dodje do nerazumijevanja.

JL AUDIO ZR 650-CSi/ 12W6v2/ SLASH 300/4

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Amerika,zemlja velikog društvenog kontrasta ali i primamljivih industrijskih potencijala posebice u automobilskoj i elektronskoj industriju. Ova potonja industrija predmet je interesa nas i naših čitatelja. Iz te i takve amerike stiže nam kompanija JL AUDIO čiji se program svodi na proizvodnju Premium audio komponenti za kućnu, auto i brodsku upotrebu.
Tvrtka JL AUDIO se počela baviti proizvodnjom zvučnika i regionalnom distribucijom davne 1977 godine prošlog stolječa. Tvrtka je smještena u Miramaru na Floridi. Kompaniju je osnovao Lucio Proni, čovjek koji se uz posao voditelja tvrtke brinuo i za razvoj dizajnerskih projekata. Kako je vrijeme odmicalo tako su poslovni rezultati bivali sve bolji što je kasnije rezultiralo proširenjem proizvodnog programa i osvajanjem mnogobrojnih nagrada. Jedan od zaslužnijih ljudi za što je tvrtka počela zauzimati vodeča mjesta u car audio i home audio industriji je voditelj odjela za razvoj kućne i profesionalne elektronike gospodin Carl Kennedy. Njegova karizma je počela rasti nakon prelaska iz inženjerskog tima tvrtke Miller&Kreisel u inženjerski tim JL Audia. Kruna svega dolazi nakon dugogodišnjeg mukotrpnog razvoja i rada u obliku dobivanja high-end statusa u car audio domeni i iznimnih priznanja u home audio domeni. Tako napr: subwooferi za kućnu upotrebu –modeli Gotham g213 i Fathom f113 zauzimaju čelno mjesto na ljestvicama audio proizvoda. Bas zvučničke jedinice pod oznakom W6 i W7 koje se koriste u navedenim subwooferima razvijane su punih sedam godina i istovremeno patentirane kod tamnošnjeg saveznog ureda. Isti način razvoja primjenjen je i kod car audio domene.U razgovoru vođenim za magazin The Absolute Sound gospodin Kennedy naglasio da je učinjen veliki iskorak u konstruiranju car audio pojačala. Između ostaloga ta pojačala iz istoimene produkcije zauzimaju visoko mjesto u svjetskoj ponudi autoakustike. Kako ništa nebi prepustila slučaju, tvrtka je formirala dva istraživačka laboratorija koji su smješteni u Atlanti i Ženevi. Kada se malo prosurfa internetom i pročitaju napisi na specijaliziranim portalima onda se može doči do zaključka da JL AUDIO pojačala i zvučnici imaju kultni status među ljubiteljima dobroga zvuka širom zemaljske kugle.


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ZR 650-CSi

Za ovaj test nam je poslužila poslastica u obliku impresivnih prednjih šesnaestica pod nazivom ZR 650-CSi. Sama zvučnička jedinica od 165milimetara djeluje kompaktno. Tako je košara zvučnika izrađena o lijevanog aluminija i kao takva odaje dojam ozbiljnog tehnološkog pristupa. Na nju naliježe membrana koja je sastavljena od dvije sljepljene polipropilenske membrane punjene mineralima. Za dobro vješanje brine se ovjes od poliisobutilena (C4H8) ili po naški rećeno sintetičke gume. Magnet ove jedinice je obložen gumom tako da se kod montaže dobije čvrstoća i homogenost instalacije. Dubina montaže ove zvučničke jedinice je 67 milimetara.
Kupola priloženog visokotonca je aluminijska a njegov ovjes je također izrađen od sintetičke gume. Skretnica se nalazi u manjem plastičnom kućištu, te pogled unutar nje nam govori da je ona sastavljena od prvoklasnih elemenata.
Frekvencijski raspon ovog seta je 48Hz – 25kHz uz osjetljivost od 89.5 dB.


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12W6v2

Bas, bas i samo bas. Nema tog vozača koji za vrijeme vožnje ne podeblja zvučnu sliku sa malo basa. Naravno, da reprodukcija dubokotonskog područja može biti svakakva: dobra, precizna i čvrsta ili samo napumpana i nedefinirana. Svi ovi nabrojeni faktori ovise o vrsti,tipu i podešenju woofera unutar subwooferske kutije. Dakako, ponekad i glazbeni ukus korisnika diktira oblik i karakter bas područja.
Da bi upotpunili zvučnu sliku koristili smo subwoofersku kutiju u režinu rada zvanom kompresija. Ugrađena wooferska jedinica je 12W6v2 čiji je svaki dio posebno patentiran kod ureda za patente u SAD-u. Model woofera 12W6v2 ili skračeno W6 od 317 milimetara je izrađen istom tehnologijom kao i prednji sustav. Dakle. Košara je od lijevanog aluminija s posebnom širinom otvora koja omogućava bolju ventilaciju odnosno zračno hlađenje zavojnice. Takvim načinom hlađenja zavojnice dobiva se linearniji odziv i dugotrajnost korištenog materijala. Membrana je također izrađena od dvije sljepljene polipropilenske membrane punjene mineralima, dok je ovjes sačinjen od sintetičke gume koja se na ispitivanjima pokazala kao optimalan proizvodni materijal. Magnet ovog woofera je širine 170 milimetara, te zbog svoje mase može lako iskliznuti iz ruke. Razina kakvoće priključnih terminala za zvučnički kabel usporediva je sa kakvoćom terminala na zvučničkim kutijama za kućnu upotrebu. Dubina ugradnje ovog modela u kutiju je 193 milimetra, što se smatra respektabilnim podatkom. Masa W6 woofera je 9 kg.
Inače ovaj woofer se koristi u tzv.SQ( Sound Quality) instalacijama.







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Slash 300/4

Da bi prednji zvučnički sustav i woofer tvorili skladni cjelinu, potrebna je karika koja će kontrolirati ponašanje istih u tom audio lancu. Kako čitatelj ne bi bio opterečen razmišljanjem o broju potrebnih pojačala za ugradnju u auto, u ovom članku mu je ponuđena opcija vrhunskog 4-kanalca.
Model pojačala Slash 300/4 zadužen je u testiranom sustavu za pogonjenje prednjih zvučnika i za pogonjenje subwoofera.
U JL-ovoj gami četverokanalnih pojačala ,model Slash 300/4 zauzima drugo mjesto. Sva pojačala iz serije Slash dijele isti izgled i kvalitetu ugrađenih dijelova.
Testirani model ima snagu od 4x75 wata pri rasponu otpora od 1.5ohm -4 ohma (11V- 14.5V) što će se u našem slučaju pokazati kao dostatno za ozbilnije koncipiranje audio sustava. Ukoliko ga premostite, razvija 2x150 wata.
No, dotaknimo se dizajna. Srebrno/sivo aluminijsko kućište odaje elegantan, robustan dizajn. Pojačalo je opremljeno visoko i nisko propusnim filterima, frekvencijski raspon se kreće od 5 – 30 kHz dok je odnos signal/šum 108.5dB.
Dimenzija pojačala je 340x235x60mm.



Zvučno okruženje

Da bi sve bilo na razini renomea tvrtke JL Audio, korišteno je vrhunsko ožičenje iz istoimene produkcije. Kao izvor zvuka poslužio je Head Unit Pioneer DEH-P88 RS koji među ljubiteljima SQ-a visoko kotira.
Nakon višednevnog usviravanja krenulo se u test zvučnih dosega. Ono što prvo upada u slušni aparat je precizno definirana pozornica s puno zraka među izvođačima.
Glas Patricie Barber je vjerno prikazan ( Audiophile Reference II- FIM/HDCD) s mnoštvo detalja. Srednjetonski spektar je bogat detaljima, muzikalan a ukupna slika je pitka i tečna bez pretencioznosti. Prijelazom na nešto složenije glazbene materijale sustav se pokazao u pravom svijetlu. Timbralni prikaz finožičnih instrumenata podsjeća na zvuk kućnih sustava visoke klase, uz odličan tranzijentni odziv. Bas iz kompresione kutije je čvrst i kontroliran, te fino upotpunjuje ostatak zvučnog spektra. Što se tiče pojačala, ono je odradilo lavovski dio posla bez ijedne trunke slabosti. Sve u svemu inženjerska ekipa JL Audia uspjela je u svojim nakanama. Svaka karika ovog testiranog seta je plod pomnog promišljanja i razrađena u cilju postizanja maksimalnih zvučnih dosega. Takav pristup je jamstvo ostanka na vrhu u ovom industrijskom segmentu.
Potencijalnom kupcu ostaje da nakon kupovine odnosno montaže ovog sustava krene na EMMA-SQ natjecanje, te da očekuje visok plasman na tom natjecanju.



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Hertz Mille MLK 165

Hi-Fidelity At It's Finest


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When I started installing car audio professionally in the late '70s, if you truly wanted high-quality sound for your audio system there were very few domestic speaker choices. Back then you had to go with European drivers to achieve these hi-fidelity goals. Since then many players have come and gone, both domestically and internationally, but some of the best sounding speaker systems still arrive from across the pond. This month I had the privilege of auditioning the Hertz Mille MLK 165 6.5" component system from Italy that retails for $999.

Impressions

Packaged in an attractive container with a high-resolution picture of the contents on it, an impressive looking pair of 6.5" woofers captured my attention. Featuring a cast aluminum frame with a four-bolt pattern, a curvilinear aluminum cone, a Butyl rubber surround and 36mm (1.42") voice coil, these aren't your average woofers. The motor structure uses a "high-density flux" ferrite magnet and employs a ventilated pole piece, while the cone configuration is unique in that it doesn't employ the traditional dust cap on cone assembly, but looks rather like the inside of an inverted ice cream cone.

The sides of the curvilinear "V-CONE" curve down to a point at its center for better off-axis response. The spokes of the frame are also minimal to reduce reflections that could go back through the cone and color the sound in the listening area. The voice coil ventilation slots have a screen over them to keep foreign objects out and the tensile leads are attached to the spider in four places to stop them from hitting the back side of the cone at extreme excursion. The included grilles are of the high-void-ratio type so as not to restrict the output of the woofers. All in all, these are some beautifully executed drivers.

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The 28mm tweeters in this set are also unusual. They feature interchangeable rear chambers to adjust the "Q" of the tweeter. According to the manual, "The Small chamber increases the Q factor with a sharper frequency roll-off slope; the Big chamber provides a smoother slope with better low-frequency extension." The domes of these tweeters are made of "a mixture of cotton and silk in a controlled percentage with a double-waterproof processing." The motor structure of the ML28 tweeters features a double neodymium and iron magnet with a low carbon content that was specially developed for this transducer. The tweeters come with mounting provisions for surface, flush or naked mounting in a factory location. The only thing I'd change is the color of the silver grilles - black would look better in most vehicles.

The crossovers are impressive too. They employ a circuit that Hertz has dubbed HFC (High Frequency Contour). When activated, this circuit contours the high-frequency response for the left and right channel tweeter for either listening position. This is stated to cure the acoustical anomalies in typical installations caused by different path lengths and tweeter angle. Very robust in their construction, the crossovers feature four levels of tweeter attenuation in 1.5dB increments from 0dB to -4.5dB, settable with what Hertz calls "Easy Jumpers" - a solid bar with a nice little plastic handle on them to make handling easier. Also using the same adjusters are adjustments for the HFC and to select whether you want to use the crossovers in a standard or a bi-amp configuration. Hertz uses poly caps, a tweeter protector and large-gauge inductors along with sand resistors for precise filtering and protection. The wire connections are made via an insulated barrier strip on one end of the housing that will accept up to 10-gauge wire. All this is neatly displayed under a smoked plastic cover.


Installation

With all the installation hardware supplied with this set, mounting them into my test boxes was a breeze and should be just about as easy in most vehicles. The only drawback might be that the woofers don't have a multiple bolt pattern on them to fit some applications, but any good installer should be able to accommodate this. Now comes the fun part!
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Listening: Rock

Eagles "Hotel California"
"Hotel California," the live version from the Eagles' Hell Freezes Over, has to be one of the best tests for a sound system ever recorded. From the hall ambience to the incredibly detailed guitar and vocal work, this selection will give even the best systems a workout.
From the sound of the crowd to the very first guitar notes, the MLK 165s conveyed a sense of space and ambience. The lead guitar was out front in the mix and the guitar ensemble behind him sounded appropriately positioned. The resolution of the inner detail was so precise that I could even pick out the individual players in the ensemble. Granted, I've seen the video (and I suspect many of you reading this have also), but if I hadn't, I'd still be able to visualize the performance from what I heard.

The bass drum, which comes in after the guitar interlude, gave the impression that there's a subwoofer in this system. When I initially looked at the specs on the box that boasted a frequency response of 35Hz to 25kHz, I scoffed. After hearing these speakers, I must say they speak the truth. It's very rare to encounter a 6.5" component set with such well-balanced, low-frequency response. On the other end of the frequency spectrum, the shakers and Latin percussion in the background were crystal clear and precisely defined, without any harshness or sibilance. The midrange was very lifelike and all the instruments' images were stable and well positioned.
When the vocals came in, it sounded like I was at the live performance. Each performer was easily discerned and identifiable. The speakers seemed to disappear as the soundstage stretched wide and high. So far, everything seemed to point to this being one of the better component systems I've auditioned. Let's see what happens once I switch genres of music.Score: 9.5/10


JAZZ

Dave And Don Grusin "Pico Pica"
Dave and Don Grusin are most famous for their production prowess, but on this album they've teamed up to give us an electronically generated group of songs that test the dynamics and frequency response of these Italian-produced and -designed components.
On "Pico Pica," the Hertz comps delivered great low-end performance belying their physical size and a high-frequency character that can only be described as smooth and detailed. Again, they differentiated between electronic voices admirably, and the digitally produced imaging and staging sounds were surprisingly realistic. I didn't notice any harshness in the highs and the midrange was full-bodied and robust. Dynamics were reproduced without any detectable breakup and even at high volume I noticed virtually no listening fatigue. So far, if I were in the market for a set of components for my front stage, these Italian beauties would be on my short list.Score: 8/10

Blues


Johnny Lang "Rack 'Em Up"
Johnny Lang arrived on the scene a few years ago and shocked everyone when they learned he was only 17 years old. Not even old enough to buy a beer, this kid sounded like he'd been hangin' out in bars and leading the hard life of a blues singer for at least a couple of decades. Anxious to see what the Hertz comps sounded like with this small blues combo, I began my test.
Wow, I can't get over the bass produced by these 6.5" woofers! I listened to them in my auditioning room, without the benefit of the transfer function of an enclosed vehicle and they still sounded totally realistic without a subwoofer. You may think I'm going overboard raving about the bass response of these guys, but I think you'd agree if you listened to them yourself.
The bass response isn't the only attribute to recommend these speakers. The drummer was obviously using brushes on this piece and the cymbals and skin tones of the drums came through loud and clear. Very solid and accurate, placement of the instruments onstage stayed put. The horn section sounded appropriately bright without harshness, and when the trombone solo came in at 2:52, it sounded out front and center, with the correct timbre for a trombone. Lang's voice had all the grittiness and emotion you'd expect to hear at a live performance and its positioning was stable and near perfect. I must have listened to this album 50 times and I was hearing details here that I've never heard before. As of yet I haven't been able to find anything to upset the poise of these components.Score: 9/10

Country

Lyle Lovett "In My Own Mind"
One thing you can always be assured of with Lyle Lovett is that you'll be getting a superbly produced recording. This album is no exception. On this selection, Lovett is joined by a country combo featuring a steel guitar and a fiddle (they don't call 'em violins in country music). The tune starts out with a guitar/steel guitar duo and progresses to Lovett's vocals. His voice has the trademark gritty, earthy texture that's made him famous and even the piano doesn't exhibit any bitey notes. Great midrange reproduction!
It's the little things that make this selection so great - things like the perfectly rendered drummer's tap on a closed high hat cymbal, the delicate sound of fingers sliding on a fret board or the sound of the bow caressing the strings of the fiddle. Again, the drummer's brushwork was reproduced well and he's placed directly behind the rest of the band. With the Hertz MLK 165s the little details shine through.Score: 9/10

Classical

Giuseppe Verdi "La Donna E Mobile"
So far, all the groups I've tested these speakers with have been relatively small. This time I listened to a classical selection to see how well these components can deal with the complexity and extreme dynamics of a full symphony orchestra.
I could immediately tell that the venue for this performance was a large concert hall by the ambiance reproduced by the Hertz comps. Not only was the ambiance realistic, but the orchestra sounded absolutely huge here! The speakers seemed to disappear and I felt as if I could visualize the positioning of all the different sections in the orchestra. The foundation laid down by the double basses, tympani and low voices of the orchestra faithfully recreated with appropriate weight and volume. The bass response was nothing short of fantastic; by far the best of any of the speaker systems I've auditioned for CA&E. The dynamics were there too. When the cymbals crashed they sparkled, and the violins and violas (they aren't fiddles anymore) sounded smooth and sweet. As the crescendo rose, the Hertz comps handled the extra volume with ease, and the horns came through loud and clear. I could also hear all the inner detail just as I could when previously listening to the smaller groups. Even the sound of a single triangle strike was easily perceptible and could be differentiated from the sound of the glockenspiel. The Hertz comps dealt with this complex program material with ease. They seem almost imperturbable at any volume. Rarely do I encounter a speaker that has these capabilities, especially at a price point of $999 retail!Score: 9.5/10


Conclusion
Auditioning components like this is one of the reasons I love my job. It drives the point home that there are still a few companies out there that place the quality of their product above all else, and they refuse to compromise just to add a few more dollars (or Euros) to their bottom line! Bravo to the crew at Hertz for a superb set of components that blow away some that cost much more than the $999 MLK 165's. If you're looking for a beautiful-sounding, smooth, accurate component set as the main speakers for your next (or current) auto sound system, look no further than your nearest Hertz dealer and give them a listen. You won't be disappointed!
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ok. sad po hrvatski :D
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Imam ih mjesec i pol dana, odlični su za klasu kojoj pripadaju. A sad ono što je najprivlačnije. Zvučnici su ultra tanki i stanu u originalne panele vrata u većini auta. Ovo je stvarno jako dobra stvar za sve koji se nežele gnjavit i radit panele u vratima. Meni u vrata nisu stale niti jedne poštene 16-ice zbog veličine i dužine magneta. I onda me zainteresirali ovi zvučnici. Moram reći kad sam ih prvi put stavio u ruku mislio sam kakav je ovo shit jer zvučnici imaju par grama. Štos je u tehnologiji neodymium magneta koji su puno manjih dimenzija u odnosno na feritne magnete a iste snage(naravno i dosta skuplji). Doslovno magnet dimenzija malo većih od pivskog čepa zamjenjuje kvrgu od ferita a ima istu snagu. Pogonim ih pojačalom Alpine MRV-F350 V12 serije i moram reči da su me ugodno iznenadili kvalitetom zvuka. Naravno s obzirom da nisam radio panele dobro sam dampirao vrata. Sve u svemu predobri komponentni zvučnici za 1300 kn i jako jednostavni za ugradnju jel stanu bilo gdje.

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membrana od kevlara
neodymium magnet
fiberglass epoxy košara
component system 2-way
bas - 165mm
visokotonac - 28mm,toteron dome
podesiva skretnica 0 i -3db
snaga RMS - 60W
snaga MAX - 120W
40 - 22kHz
92dB
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Pioneer-ov najskuplji komponentni sistem. Da li vredi 290 Eura(cena u Nemackoj)- iliti ko je jos lud da daje tolke pare za zvucnike?!

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Citao sam nesto o njima u casopisima(kojima ne treba bas mnogo verovati- mito i korupcija, ovo ono) i malo na netu. Na slici izgledaju odlicno i sve u svemu uz malo organizacije, stigli su i do DYNABLASTER'S GARAGE. :mrgreen:

Kad ih vidis uzivo to je divota- izrada i dizajn su strava moze se slobodno reci high-end:
Visokotonac je 28mm mekana kalota i ima fensi prsten od aluminijuma i tri plasticne zastitne preckice koje su relativno krhke.
Kuciste midbassa tesko i stabilno, da ne moze bolje- jedan je cak ispao i lupio magnetom o beton, ali cini mi se ne bas direktno, nego je zakacio malo i kabl na zemlji- koji je srecom bio u pravo vreme na pravom mestu, zato ja ne i volim da spremam garazu i uvek je dzumbus :lol: , i nit se raspao nit se rascentrirao!
Membrana je neki aramid-fiber materijal i deluje kruto a lagano, a vesanje- pa to je posebna prica- tako nesto jos nisam video- plish ljudi, znaci neka prevrnuta mekana koza je u pitanju- fetish.

Znaci super robusni a opet filigranski, a da li sviraju tako dobro kao i sto izgledaju?

Posto nemam poverenja u vrata kolko god da su dampirana, odlucih da ih papnem u kompresione kutije od 9,5L neto volumena i to sam pricvrstio na vrata uz "male" izmene tapacirunga. Kutije su fuzija fibera, medijapana i osb ploce.
Zalepio na prsten zvucnika, gde naleze na medijapan, specijalnu sundjerastu traku, da slucajno ne bude negde lufta i zasrafio brutalno.

Visokotonce sam instalirao na stubove negde u visini usiju i centrirao tako da se seku direkt ispred nosa. Pojacalo je takodje Pioneer Premier neka hibrid D klasa koja treba dobro da svira- negde oko 2x135-150rms, a zvucnici po specifikaciji trpe 60rms a mogu bez problema i po 200rms- tako da eto ne treba verovati brojkama. A HU je Alpina IVA 310 koje je cudo od tehnike 8-)

Da odma' napomenem da zvucnici jos nisu bili ni usvirani kad sam ih probavao, tako da ovo bas i nije realan opis ali ajde bolje ista nego nista :mrgreen:

Jedini disk koji sam imao pri ruci a da je super referentan snimak(nista mp3) dao mi drugar PantoNS- stari audiofil koji bas i nema neki ukus al ajde-opet bolje ista nego nista :D
I tako ja ubacim disk i posto nisam hteo odma da ih panjim, odvrnem volume tek malo- ne secam se sad tacno kako su isle pesme po redu, ali se secam sledece: Rebecca Pidgeon- neka cica sto ima super glas, i tako krece ona da peva i dize glas, i kako ona peva ja sve vise i vise pojacavam(ne mozh se suzdrzati) i pojacam tako- blizu maksimuma koji je pozeljan za zvucnike- e kad sam poceo da se smejem, znaci kako riba pusta glas oooooooOOOOOOOOOOOO sve glasnije i glasnije tako meni kez sve siri i siri, ajmeeeeeeeee, mislio sam da nema kraja kolko se dernja i onda sam puko od smeha hahahahaaa :mrgreen: Znaci ko da peva ispred mene da mogu da je tjapim, i vala grlata, pustila glascinu samo tako- e to su zvucnici!, ustvari skroz sam i zaboravio na zvucnike jer je dozivljaj potpuno realan ko da je tu ispred i "dernja" se u facu- skoro kao jedna riba mecosopran sto sam je gledao/slusao uzivo u superakusticnoj sali i trazio bis vise puta, al nas iskulirala posle x bisova :x

Sledece pesme ne znam koje su bile, ali svaka stvar je zvucala super, nije bilo muzike ili deonice koji je problematican za ove zvucnike... E da, negde pri kraju diska je ona tema iz Conana, mnogo mocno, moze da se usporedi i sa mjuzom na pocetku Terminator 2 ono dzu dzu dzu dzu dzu, e tu dosli do izrazaja midbassi- iako imaju phase-plug i membrana je pritom automatski manja, sviraju ko blesavi- idu duboko kolko god oces, i imaju kicka vala- po izgledu se ne bi reklo! Ali imaju granicu kad im je vec puno i onda pocinju malo da brljaju, ali u sustini mogu da sviraju apsolutno dovoljno glasno za skoro svaciji ukus, cak mogu i da nadsviraju neke duple kickove! I da se vratim na temu iz Conana- mocno, jednostavno mocno zvuci kao da je ceo orkestar tu i ko da sam usred filma, i otvorim ja oboja vrata(auto bio u dvoristu) da cujem kako se to cuje malo iz daljine i odem do kapije i vidim komsije nailaze, ja im vicem conaaaaaaaaaan(jer sam bio u tripu kako dobro) i oni hop evo ih, sedaju u kola, slozili cudne face i ne izlaze heheeee, kad su izasli obojica ko hipnotisani ponavljaju samo: "al' je cist zvuuuuuk, al je cist zvuuuuuuuuk!" lol :mrgreen: I tako ne mogu da se nacude i jedva sam ih oterao :shock:
Seo ja jos malo da isprobavam, i slusao sam svasta od Mariah Carey, preko tehna do metala, i zakljucak je da ovi zvucnici skoro i nemaju mane, sta god da im pustis sviraju superiska- nema greske, i prilicno verno sviraju bez da farbaju zvuk ili sl. Srednji tonovi su super, a zvuk visokih sa originalnom skretnicom je vise blag nego ostar iako pri tome sviraju svaki detalj, aktivno terani verovatno sviraju jos bolje, i bina je na svom mestu, ustvari jedni od retkih visokotonaca koje mozes bukvalno da bacis bilo gde i da sviraju super. Duboki tonovi su kako da kazem, imaju jak fundament i kickaju super, ne znam kako se u zapremini vrata ponasaju ali u kompresiji je dobar kick. Procitao sam na netu da i u vratima sviraju odlicno jer ih je kao Pioneer bas specijalno koncipirao za vrata bla bla.
Snaga im je na nivou- neko nema takav bass ni sa wooferom- da se razumemo, i sistem ima neki karakteristican smek- sviraju vazdusasto- znaci sa lakocom sviraju da je to prosto milina!
Kad bi me neko pitao da jednom recju opisem zvuk ovih zvucnika, ta rec bi bila- divota!

I da, vrede svaki Euro, iako nisam slusao mnogo sistema mogu da se kladim da nema boljeg sistema u klasi do 300 Eura! ;)


PS: uskoro stize novi midbass na trziste- membrana je mix od presovanog izmrvljenog vulkanskog kamena- bazalta i jos necega, izgleda da ce tek to da kicka! :mrgreen:
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ovakve Pionerje slušao sam jednom kod nekoga i potpuno se slažem sa tobom... igraju vrlo dobro, precizno, tweeter je u usporedbi sa taljani (Hertz, AS i slično) tišji, mirniji - ok nije sad takav ko micro precison 7 ali je još uvjek odličan...

i na kraju cjena... za te pare (400€ u SLo) dobar su odabir, ali ima i dosta konkurencije...plus za "samo" 200€ može se dodati i 10cm mid i tako napraviti 3 way... ali bez skretnice...

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tweeter je bash "vazdusast" :) ma za 290 eura mogu da se kupe u nemackoj i micim da je to stvarno bestbuy! :D

a kako se doima midbass u vratima? ja sam pravio bas idealnu kompresiju s malim volumenom i stvarno kickaju ko blesavi, ne bi nikad reko po izgledu da to moze, jos ono vesanje kad sam video, stvarno su me iznenadili...

ali znas kako sigurno bi mi dosadili posle izvesnog vremena, meni mora zvuk da bude ono da se uvek nanovo iznenadim i da zhezhe na sve strane :D ipak fali ono nesto da kazes ZJU! al za te pare nema tako nesto, kad samo taki tweeteri kostaju ko ceo taj sistem ;)
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Evo danas ubodeni prednji systemi.. stavljeni u dampirana vrata.. spojeni na cca 160rms-a... ukratko PREBOLESNO OVO LUPA!!!! Basa ima i više nego potrebno, visoki su detaljni i kvalitetni ništa na njima ne krći.. stvarno sam zadovoljan systemima.. Inače kako svi znamo japanci imaju vrata za k.. al ovo stvarno prebolesno radi u vrata.. sub je doslovce nepotreban.. (dobro možda neki da malo bubrege trese.. )..
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nadasve stručna i informativna recenzija, čak si dojmove uspio skupit u samo jednom danu, svaka čast :vamp:
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pih, ja kad buden recenzira neke zvučnike neću se znat koristit svin vašin izrazima jer uopće ne znan šta znaše

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topao....staviš zvučnik na 200 rms, i ako je nakon 20 min topao napišeš da ima topao zvuk.

ako se membrana raspadne...napišeš da je mekan.....ako se rastopi onda je plastićan.....a ako ispećeš prste na membrani dok testiraš zvučnik, onda je metalan :lol:
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:lol::lol::lol:

hvala na objašnjenju:vamp:
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